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Mensaje por Invitado el Vie Dic 23 2011, 14:50

Como deísta que soy y buen samaritano, os deseo una feliz navidad.

Os recomiendo la lectura de CUENTO DE NAVIDAD de Charles Dickens y aquellos que aprendéis inglés, A CHRISTMAS CAROL. Es fácil de seguir y tiene un buen inglés.

Aunque particularmente no coincido con la ideología de Dickens (recordad que echa pestes del capitalismo y de él tenemos asociado el inicio del capitalismo con la explotación infantil -aunque es cierto que los niños trabajaban tal y cómo lo describía en Oliver Twist-), siento un enorme respeto por este autor y lo aconsejo, a pesar de que eso, hago este pequeño inciso.

De igual manera que el protagonista de A CHRISTMAS CAROL, se desprende la ecuación IntelBook = Scroodge, que por cierto, es una palabra que no existía y que gracias a Dickens es un adjetivo para tildar a alguien de "ávaro" o "misántropo".

Voy a pasar las Navidades solo, como siempre, en plan Maccaulay Culkin de SOLO EN CASA, excepto Nochebuena con una obligada cena con familia y los 15 minutos de rigor en Nochevieja, pero bueno, es algo que me acompaña desde mi edad temprana y no le tengo miedo ni al frío, ni a la soledad, ni a los tres fantasmas de la Navidad de Dickens:

EL PASADO
EL PRESENTE
EL FUTURO

Aunque me cague en todo el mundo en estas fiestas y de la injusticia de mi vida y blablabla, aún conservo mi bedside manner:

FELICES NAVIDADES.

Feliz Navidad Mr+Scrooge

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Mensaje por alejandro el Vie Dic 23 2011, 15:02

feliz navidad para ti tambien

y para todos los demas del foro

(i'm reading The Great Gatsby now to learn. i'll put Dickens up in mi list Wink )
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Mensaje por Invitado el Vie Dic 23 2011, 15:16

@alejandro escribió:feliz navidad para ti tambien

y para todos los demas del foro

(i'm reading The Great Gatsby now to learn. i'll put Dickens up in mi list Wink )

Merci beaucoup.

Be aware:

put up
1. To erect; build.
2. To preserve; can: put up six jars of jam.
3. To nominate: put up a candidate at a convention.
4. To provide (funds) in advance: put up money for the new musical.
5. To provide lodgings for: put a friend up for the night.
6. Sports To startle (game animals) from cover: put up grouse.
7. To offer for sale: put up his antiques.

It is correct to say "I'll put Dickens on my list". Remember that is quite frequent "on" after a phrasal verb "took up on", etc. Anyway, you just have here only a simple verb "put".

Place order: although it's not a misspelling, I'd put "now" between I'm ____ reading --> I'm now reading Dickens, to improve my English. "To learn" specifically when you work with a grammar book or a technical book, not with literature.

Wink Maybe I am not right, please ameliorate it if I am wrong.

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Mensaje por alejandro el Vie Dic 23 2011, 15:30

jajaja ok, i'll try not to be like an englishman saying: "mi estar caliente, ¿ir playa?

xD
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Mensaje por Invitado el Vie Dic 23 2011, 15:36

@alejandro escribió:jajaja ok, i'll try not to be like an englishman saying: "mi estar caliente, ¿ir playa?

xD

Don't worry Wink

Mankind learns by mistaking

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Mensaje por alodnamra el Vie Dic 23 2011, 16:07

Raskolnikov escribió:Don't worry Wink

Mankind learns by mistaking

Mankind learns by making mistakes.

The verb mistake doesn't fit used in present participle. And "put up" can be used with no problem whatsoever... the adding of position particles to verbs is rather free of rules. And merry Christmas to all!
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Mensaje por Invitado el Vie Dic 23 2011, 16:12

@alodnamra escribió:
Raskolnikov escribió:Don't worry Wink

Mankind learns by mistaking

Mankind learns by making mistakes.

The verb mistake doesn't fit used in present participle. And "put up" can be used with no problem whatsoever... the adding of position particles to verbs is rather free of rules. And merry Christmas to all!

Shit on a stick! Una mierda pinchada en un palo!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23978534-bus-driver-killed-pedestrian-by-mistaking-accelerator-for-brake.do

Ironically, this gerund is quite common used in USA, and not in UK.

I beg you to give me the source of "put up" as a synonym of "put on", please, tout ensuite.

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Mensaje por alodnamra el Vie Dic 23 2011, 17:18

If we're gonna be rude, then, fuck your need for sources. As you probably know, the English language has no regulating body, and everyone is free to write whatever the fuck they want, as they want, as long as people will understand them. And coincidentally, adding particles like up, on or in is mostly free. It might not show up on Thesaurus, but give it time, and it will, as it has happened with countless other phrasal verbs and idioms before.

And you can't use mistaking because in that context means "confundir", not "equivocar", which would be the one fitting there. And confundir and equivocar are not synonyms, before you say anything. I would scan and show you my credentials as a C2 European Level in English holder (better known as Cambridge Proficiency in English, the highest level of English exam there is), but I'm not that petty, even though you somehow constantly manage to grind my gears.

And by the way, it's "tout de suite".
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Mensaje por Invitado el Sáb Dic 24 2011, 12:07

@alodnamra escribió:

And you can't use mistaking because in that context means "confundir", not "equivocar", which would be the one fitting there. And confundir and equivocar are not synonyms, before you say anything. I would scan and show you my credentials as a C2 European Level in English holder (better known as Cambridge Proficiency in English, the highest level of English exam there is), but I'm not that petty, even though you somehow constantly manage to grind my gears.

And by the way, it's "tout de suite".

You're completely wrong. It is very quite proper to say "manking learns by mistaking", in the sense of "EQUIVOCAR". You listen to me, fucking moron, in USA is quite frequent to abreviate sentences eliminating the main verb and puting the COD in -ing in order to synthesize the sentence (they speed a lot their thinking and the speech).

Example: He sent her a twitter message explaining the situation" --> He explained the situation by twitting her (by facebooking her), whatever. BY+NOUN IN ING or a GERUND!
HER --> COI / TWITTER MESSAGE --> COD

Nevertheless, the ellipsis is correct "Mankind learns by mistaking", surrogates "making mistakes", and if you see, mistakes becomes a gerund by omitting the main verb).

Speaking of the meaning: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/mistake?q=mistaking#mistake__3
And a list of wise men that have used MISTAKE with the same sense as me: http://www.quotegarden.com/mistakes.html

mis·take (m-stk)
n.
1. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness. (EQUIVOCAR)
2. A misconception or misunderstanding.
v. mis·took (m-stk), mis·tak·en (m-stkn), mis·tak·ing, mis·takes
v.tr.
1. To understand wrongly; misinterpret: mistook my politeness for friendliness. (THIS IS WHAT YOU REFER BY "CONFUNDIR")
2. To recognize or identify incorrectly: He mistook her for her sister.
v.intr.

You should be more prudent.

And I don't give a dime for your "credentials". As you say, "English has no regulation".

However, you're right with "tout de suite", I mistook "ensuite" with "de suite".

@alodnamra escribió:If we're gonna be rude, then, fuck your need for sources. As you probably know, the English language has no regulating body, and everyone is free to write whatever the fuck they want, as they want, as long as people will understand them. And coincidentally, adding particles like up, on or in is mostly free. It might not show up on Thesaurus, but give it time, and it will, as it has happened with countless other phrasal verbs and idioms before.

I DON'T CARE.

Put up in my list is clearly wrong because you write something ON paper or IN if it's a list in Excel or Word (PC programs).
And put up, has a different meaning.

And you have a C2 level?
By the way, I have the TOEFL iBP with enough punctuation to enter into Harvard, as minimum. Wink
As they say "No offence intended" (Sin acritud).

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Mensaje por alodnamra el Sáb Dic 24 2011, 16:09

Whatever floats your boat, dude. I'm not gonna lose time pointing out how the present participle only shows up in a constructed idiom in that dictionary link you put up. Or how none of those quotes you link uses "mistaking" at all. I know that I'm right when I say, depending on which phrase you use, that it means "confundir" or "equivocar", and mankind learns when wrong, not when confused. Deal with it.

By the way, I hope you have your TOEFL updated, remember it has expiry date and will be worth nothing unless you get a new one (nice business they have there). CPE allows me that same entrance, and also qualifies me to teach English in Spain and be a Spanish teacher in UK and Ireland (not that I'm planning to do it).

You really have a problem dealing with not being always the one holding the truth, and when someone disagrees, you become an obnoxious little cunt. Offense absolutely intended.
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Mensaje por Invitado el Sáb Dic 24 2011, 16:49

@alodnamra escribió:Whatever floats your boat, dude. I'm not gonna lose time pointing out how the present participle only shows up in a constructed idiom in that dictionary link you put up. Or how none of those quotes you link uses "mistaking" at all. I know that I'm right when I say, depending on which phrase you use, that it means "confundir" or "equivocar", and mankind learns when wrong, not when confused. Deal with it.

By the way, I hope you have your TOEFL updated, remember it has expiry date and will be worth nothing unless you get a new one (nice business they have there). CPE allows me that same entrance, and also qualifies me to teach English in Spain and be a Spanish teacher in UK and Ireland (not that I'm planning to do it). You really have a problem dealing with not being always the one holding the truth, and when someone disagrees, you become an obnoxious little cunt. Offense absolutely intended.

You totally have a very big issue against me. Probably because you arrived from vacation to the alcoholic landscape that is Erasmus and yet you have NOT mentioned the sources of your "confundir" o "equivocar" affirmations, so that's why I bit you before.

Of course I know my TOEFL is updated, it lasts 'til 2 years after the date of the test, moron. But ya' must have a serious issue with all these "credential" thing, for one hand, you roundly assert that English is not regulated, but then, you have this whole idea of credentials and institutional material.

Sorry buddy if you had bad time in your Orgasmus vacation and you don't any future with your "shitty" master (quoting yourself from a previous post) but don't pay your annoyance with me, OKAY?

You don't have any right to offend me, miserable SOB. You're a complete waste of time.

By the way, I don't have cunt, but penis. It's not my fault if you have a micro-penis and that's why you did not flirt on your not-Orgasmus vacation, paid by taxpayer. If the taxpayers'd know what kind of rudeness people get money to go Orgasmus... You should be ashamed of yourself.

I hope you enjoy after your master a great time "au chômage", you totally deserve it. At least I know the "amazing university of Asturias" will not bring you any career op.


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Mensaje por Invitado el Sáb Dic 24 2011, 16:55

Quedas reportado por llamarme coño desagradable y voy a consultar a varios filólogos, a ver qué dicen.

Si dichos filólogos me dicen lo que tú me has dicho, presentaré mis disculpas filológicas, pero has demostrado ser una persona realmente desagradable y yo he sido correcto en mis anteriores posts.

Menudo caradura.

WHAT A CHEEK!

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Mensaje por Invitado el Sáb Dic 24 2011, 17:02

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